Valentino Rossi and Yamaha

[cavallino rampante]

Yesterday's South African Grand Prix was really fantastic. One of the best races ever.
I hope the majority of you had the chance to see the battle between Rossi and Biaggi because it was one of the things that make life worth living.
Valentino has finally showed his breaking all records had nothing to do with "having the best package".
Yamaha got their last victory more than two years ago...
No way I could miss a motogp race this year.

I'd like to hear your opinions about this
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[Mox]

MotoGP should introduce a number of new rules to stop the domination of Rossi.

It's very boring racing, and always the same winner http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

(just kidding)

[Griffin]

Quote[/b] (Mox @ April 19 2004,19:06)]MotoGP should introduce a number of new rules to stop the domination of Rossi.

It's very boring racing, and always the same winner http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

(just kidding)
Had Rossi stayed at Honda, there was a decent chance the rules would have been changed to rein the Rossi/RCV combination in.

What Rossi has done is like Schumi walking into, say, Renault or BAR, done some testing and development over the winter, and win the first race back.

It was a classic ride - and one that establishes Valentino as one of the greats of the sport. A championship with Yamaha is on the cards, here.

[mar]

When Vale's departure from Honda was made public, I thought he's going to sacrifice another championship.
Now I'm not necesserily thinking so.
To me Rossi is some kind af M. Schumacher amongst the bikers.

[haryan]

he is the rider of the century
i am sure all this years max biaggi would have been taunting
rossi saying he had the best equipment and he won.........
now rossi has proven that its his talent which made honda
victories look spectacular and now victory on yamaha must
have broken everyones spirit already ......................
another championship for rossi http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Da Professor]

Quote[/b] (cavallino rampante @ April 19 2004,02:53)]Yesterday's South African Grand Prix was really fantastic. One of the best races ever.
I hope the majority of you had the chance to see the battle between Rossi and Biaggi because it was one of the things that make life worth living.
Valentino has finally showed his breaking all records had nothing to do with "having the best package".
Yamaha got their last victory more than two years ago...
No way I could miss a motogp race this year.

I'd like to hear your opinions about this
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I love MotoGP. Rossi's latest win at Welkom has truly defined him as THE best ever. For the 1st in histroy a rider has won consecutive GP's on different machines. His battle with Biaggi was incredible. I would not want to play chess against Rossi.

He apparently has taken a mid field bike and has turned it into a championship contender and has stuck it to Honda in a huge way. I was around watching in the days of Rainey, Schwantz, Lawson.....he has trumped them all....he is the DOCTOR.

If you missed this race, you really missed something special, something great.

[mar]

I was suprised by the slow pace of the Ducatis, especially the one of Bayliss.
Regarding Yamaha and Rossi it has to be seen how they compete against the Honda armada on different types of circuits.
It's too early to face a clear picture yet.

[JRL]

Acctually what Rossi did was what Schumi failed to do in `96 which really dose put him up there with the all timers like Surtees, Sheen and Hailwood.

[Da Professor]

Well, not only does it put him up there.....Rossi in my view has surpassed them all. Surtees to Rainey. And he is only 25.

[JRL]

I think he still has to emulate Big John and Hailwood in another area though, one which could be impossibal. Both of them won at the Isle of Man, and both won at the Nordschilfe on two wheels and four. With Big John being WC on both sets of wheels.
Although that is like comparing Schumi with Fangio and Neuvalari. If he wins this year #46 will be the greatist ever.

[Senor Soup]

Surtees was one of the best overall drivers/riders, as the only man to win the Moto Gp championship and the F1 world championship, I'm relatively new to MotoGp, but yesterdays race makes me a fan

[JRL]

MotoGP is the only `bike racing I watch now, save the IOMTT.

[Da Professor]

Quote[/b] (JRL @ April 19 2004,11:38)]I think he still has to emulate Big John and Hailwood in another area though, one which could be impossibal. Both of them won at the Isle of Man, and both won at the Nordschilfe on two wheels and four. With Big John being WC on both sets of wheels.
Although that is like comparing Schumi with Fangio and Neuvalari. If he wins this year #46 will be the greatist ever.
I agree. I would like for him to test his four wheel skills. I think everyone wants to see another Surtees. Even if Rossi one day competes full time in a World Rally car instead of F1, people would like to see it.

Yeah, if he wins another title...he will be an official Legend (if he's not one now). This would be a case where statisitcs would be a minimal consideration even though he already ranks among the all time best.

[Da Professor]

Quote[/b] (Senor Soup @ April 19 2004,11:40)]Surtees was one of the best overall drivers/riders, as the only man to win the Moto Gp championship and the F1 world championship, I'm relatively new to MotoGp, but yesterdays race makes me a fan
glad to have you. http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[JRL]

Quote[/b] (Da Professor @ April 19 2004,17:54)]I agree. I would like for him to test his four wheel skills. I think everyone wants to see another Surtees. Even if Rossi one day competes full time in a World Rally car instead of F1, people would like to see it.
I think that his skills would transfer well to single seater racing, but it might take him a while to get to F1. Remeber that in the `60's Surtees would sometimes be racing both forms at one. At Goodwood in the early `60 he rode in a 250cc race, drove in an F3 race, rode a 500cc race then jumped in a F2 car! all in one day.
Hailwood's transfer into F1 would be more relevent as a model for Rossi to follow. Although I agree that he might well end up in the WRC, or even win or two and four wheels over 48hrs at Le Mans (okay there are three months between the bike and car race)

Quote[/b] ]Yeah, if he wins another title...he will be an official Legend (if he's not one now). This would be a case where statisitcs would be a minimal consideration even though he already ranks among the all time best.

Well becouse MotoGP in it's present form is reletivly young the stats don't really count. But to my mind Rossi is more on a par with Mike Hailwood, who could jump on anything and win.

[F1 Observer]

Surtees might have been great,but still Giancomo de Agostini was evenly matched to him to say the very least...

[Koen H]

Pfoei, that guy is GOOD!

Only 25 years huh? Well, two more years winning everything in MotoGP, and he is ready for a step to the single seaters! I dare to say..... After Schumacher's retirement, his replacement is gonna be...... Valentino Rrrrrrrrossssiiiii! http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Da Professor]

Quote[/b] (JRL @ April 19 2004,13:51)]Quote[/b] (Da Professor @ April 19 2004,17:54)]I agree. I would like for him to test his four wheel skills. I think everyone wants to see another Surtees. Even if Rossi one day competes full time in a World Rally car instead of F1, people would like to see it.
I think that his skills would transfer well to single seater racing, but it might take him a while to get to F1. Remeber that in the `60's Surtees would sometimes be racing both forms at one. At Goodwood in the early `60 he rode in a 250cc race, drove in an F3 race, rode a 500cc race then jumped in a F2 car! all in one day.
Hailwood's transfer into F1 would be more relevent as a model for Rossi to follow. Although I agree that he might well end up in the WRC, or even win or two and four wheels over 48hrs at Le Mans (okay there are three months between the bike and car race)

Quote[/b] ]Yeah, if he wins another title...he will be an official Legend (if he's not one now). This would be a case where statisitcs would be a minimal consideration even though he already ranks among the all time best.

Well becouse MotoGP in it's present form is reletivly young the stats don't really count. But to my mind Rossi is more on a par with Mike Hailwood, who could jump on anything and win.
It is not different at all. The top class has only changed in regard to now includes 1000cc 4-stokes bikes but still allows for 500cc 2-stokes. Technically, I can still run a 500cc, but it is no longer as competitive as a 4-stoke. This is what in part demoralized World Superbike.

It really is similar to the difference in 125, 250, 350, 500. All the statistics count because their complete GP records are tallied. For example, Agonstini is at 122 wins across all classes he competed in, 68 wins in the 500cc class. Rossi is at 60 wins all-time, 34 wins in the top class (500cc/MotoGP formula) which ranks him 4th behind Agonstini, Doohan, Hailwood respectively.

Across all classes- 4th all time behind, Agonstini, Nieto, Hailwood respectively.

Technically speaking: 4-stokes are limtied to 990cc.

[cavallino rampante]

Rossi was born to ride a motorbike. I don't think he will ever be a formula 1 driver and even if he was given the chance to drive in formula 1 he wouldn't have such a successful career or maybe it would take him a very long time to be competitive. Things have changed through the years and nowadays a biker wouldn't be able to follow Surtess' steps

[Koen H]

Quote[/b] (cavallino rampante @ April 19 2004,21:56)]Rossi was born to ride a motorbike. I don't think he will ever be a formula 1 driver and even if he was given the chance to drive in formula 1 he wouldn't have such a successful career or maybe it would take him a very long time to be competitive. Things have changed through the years and nowadays a biker wouldn't be able to follow Surtess' steps
Why not? Let him test a Ferrari, and we'll see. The basics are the same, whether it was in the 60's or in the new millennium

[Mox]

Didn't he drive a rally car at some point - and wasn't he completely lousy at it?

Or does my memory fail me?

Anyway ... there is another topic on "Natural driving ability", and I think it is only fair to say, that when it comes to riding a motorbike, Vale defines the word "natural".
It seems - when watching him - that he breaks the laws of physics, or has somehow developed a driving style that transends all that was thought to be the truth about the limits of bike-riding.

About the team-switch. I think he brought almost his entire crew along with him. Obviously - as was the case in the Todt/Brawn/Byrne/Schumacher switch - there are some guys onboard that team that really known their business.

I'm much impressed - and have been since the 125cc days - with Vale and friends, and enjoy it fully.

[Senor Soup]

If I was to go for anybody but Rossi I think it would be Sete Gibernau, I think that he is the second best rider in MotoGP

[Da Professor]

Quote[/b] (Mox @ April 19 2004,17:32)]Didn't he drive a rally car at some point - and wasn't he completely lousy at it?

Or does my memory fail me?

Anyway ... there is another topic on "Natural driving ability", and I think it is only fair to say, that when it comes to riding a motorbike, Vale defines the word "natural".
It seems - when watching him - that he breaks the laws of physics, or has somehow developed a driving style that transends all that was thought to be the truth about the limits of bike-riding.

About the team-switch. I think he brought almost his entire crew along with him. Obviously - as was the case in the Todt/Brawn/Byrne/Schumacher switch - there are some guys onboard that team that really known their business.

I'm much impressed - and have been since the 125cc days - with Vale and friends, and enjoy it fully.
He drove a customer Peuguot 206 in the Rally GB in 2002. He slid off in a ditch on Day One. His technical IQ is incredible, and riding strategy is comparable to MS. I believe he did bring his race engineer with him. I cant remember...I guess I'll check.

Addition: His crew chief that defected with him is Jeremy Burgess, who by the way has scoffed at Honda's strategy.

[Cesare]

Quote[/b] (haryan @ April 19 2004,02:40)]he is the rider of the century
Correction: He's the best bike rider EVER.

Well, I follow the Vale's campaign since he won by a less than a tyre in 250cc, some years ago.

As Mox said, he seems to break the physical laws. He's a very talented driver an had the courage to change to Yamaha, and teach to the world who's the greatest rider ever.

Sometime I heard Valentino that if he had to choose, he prefers to drive an WRC than a F1 car, but I think that's so hard to predict now. Valentino have many years ahead and he must plan his future carefully.

[Da Professor]

I think this is a funny pic:

http://www.f1racing.net/en/photo.php/large/24819.jpg

A bit of jab at Honda? I would do it. It's clean fun. It looks like he is ready to burst with laughter.

[cavallino rampante]

VALENTINO HA FINALLY TESTED THE F2004!!!!!!!!!!!

http://it.sports.yahoo.com/040421/50/2r5pe.html

Sorry, it's in Italian

[mar]

Quote[/b] (Koen H @ April 19 2004,20:10)]After Schumacher's retirement, his replacement is gonna be...... Valentino Rrrrrrrrossssiiiii! http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Moto GP World Champion Valentino Rossi is lapping the Ferrari test track at Fiorano today and the Italian superstar has already shown a massively impressive aptitude for Formula 1.

Rossi had never driven any kind of single-seater before today's outing in a F2003 behind closed-doors at Fiorano, but he has already gone faster than Ferrari tester Luciano Burti's mark for the day.

Rossi is reported to have made a huge impression in lapping the track in 59.0s - that's only three seconds off Michael Schumacher's record.

Rumours have frequently linked Rossi to a switch to four-wheels, but he had previously expressed a preference for rallying over racing - he contested Rally GB in 2002.

Odds must now be shortening on Rossi attempting to emulate John Surtees's feat of winning the World Championship on four wheels as well as two, but in F1 not the WRC. Surtees, of course, was driving for Ferrari when he won his four-wheeled world title in 1964.

[gattorey]

Quote[/b] (Mox @ April 19 2004,23:32)]Didn't he drive a rally car at some point - and wasn't he completely lousy at it?

Or does my memory fail me?
I had a chanche of talking about that Rally race, with Valentino Rossi while I was working with him last year in April.
He told me that he screwed it up during the race and was just his fault, but he was going pretty fast all the times and during testing he was always among the 8 best.
I'm keen of believing him stating this, since the conversation was pretty casual (during lunch) and there were not journalist around.
The guy, when is out of the track, is really soft spoken and quite more humble then what people might think from his public behaviour. He has a lot of sens of humor also about him self.

[cavallino rampante]

I said it would take him a long time to be competitive

I WAS WRONG

[Jon]

Hey guys, you all seem pretty impressed with this guy. Unfortunately, I don't have the chance to watch him, since where I live (Mexico) we don't get any MotoGP news or broadcasts.

Can any of you provide a link to some videos of his career? I think it would be worth watching him! http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[Mox]

Jon - you can actually buy the full races as downloadable files on MotoGP.com (http://www.motogp.com) along with a lot of interviews and stuff.

They are posted on the site shortly after the race, and it is the full races in very decent quality.

[Mox]

Oh - and by the way ... Rossi drove the F2003-GA today, not the F2004, and according to italian newspapers his best laps was around 62 seconds (no official timing used).

That is appx 6 seconds off the lap record. Not too bad. http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Da Professor]

Yes...the MotoGP website is pretty good too.

[Chris Amon]

Quote[/b] (cavallino rampante @ April 19 2004,08:53)]Yesterday's South African Grand Prix was really fantastic. One of the best races ever.
I hope the majority of you had the chance to see the battle between Rossi and Biaggi because it was one of the things that make life worth living.
Although preferring motorracing I always watch the 125 - 250 - Moto GP WC rounds. The FIM doesn t need to implement artificial rules to increase the show. Genuine overtaking in abundance. http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[cavallino rampante]

Quote[/b] (Mox @ April 21 2004,20:24)]Oh - and by the way ... Rossi drove the F2003-GA today, not the F2004, and according to italian newspapers his best laps was around 62 seconds (no official timing used).

That is appx 6 seconds off the lap record. Not too bad.  http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
this is not entirely true.
towards the end of the testing session, Rossi set a 59" laptime that was just three seconds off Schumacher's record.
As far as the car is concerned, you are totally right. It was the F2003-GA

[Mox]

Well ... I can only report what I can find, and according to Atlas his best time was 62s http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[mar]

Quote[/b] (Mox @ April 21 2004,23:33)]Well ... I can only report what I can find, and according to Atlas his best time was 62s http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Well, I found this:

Quote[/b] ]Rossi is reported to have made a huge impression in lapping the track in 59.0s - that's only three seconds off Michael Schumacher's record.

[Mox]

I trust AtlasF1 until a better source comes out.

Luca and MS ran shakedowns at the same time, running in the 58s range.

I think 62 sounds more likely. 59s would put him in a competetive state from day 1 in the car, and even though he has tremendous talent, I don't believe you can find those levels of competetiveness within the 20 laps he drove.
He needs to get used to braking distances, cornering forces, grip levels, track lines ... all within 20 laps - and be on pace with Luca's best laps at Fiorano.

Nah ... I don't buy it ... yet.
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[Cesare]

Quote[/b] (Mox @ April 21 2004,16:49)]I trust AtlasF1 until a better source comes out.

Luca and MS ran shakedowns at the same time, running in the 58s range.

I think 62 sounds more likely. 59s would put him in a competetive state from day 1 in the car, and even though he has tremendous talent, I don't believe you can find those levels of competetiveness within the 20 laps he drove.
He needs to get used to braking distances, cornering forces, grip levels, track lines ... all within 20 laps - and be on pace with Luca's best laps at Fiorano.

Nah ... I don't buy it ... yet.
http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Source: Datasport (Wednesday 21, 21:07)
Fiorano: Valentino under the minute with the Ferrari.
The Tavullia's driver approaches to Michael's record Schumacher.

Another sources: F1-live.com, ANSA.

Of course, I'm a believer. http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Da Professor]

Quote[/b] (Mox @ April 21 2004,17:49)]I trust AtlasF1 until a better source comes out.

Luca and MS ran shakedowns at the same time, running in the 58s range.

I think 62 sounds more likely. 59s would put him in a competetive state from day 1 in the car, and even though he has tremendous talent, I don't believe you can find those levels of competetiveness within the 20 laps he drove.
He needs to get used to braking distances, cornering forces, grip levels, track lines ... all within 20 laps - and be on pace with Luca's best laps at Fiorano.

Nah ... I don't buy it ... yet.
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Yeah, I 100% agree. I am one of the biggest Rossi fans going, but he is does not have an S on his chest. maybe gauloises or yamaha, but no S. His superpowers are used in MotoGP. http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Viva la Alonso]

I am also a fan of MOTO G.P in all 125cc, 250cc and MOTO. Rossie on the Yamaha, truly showed WHAT A SPECIAL rider he is. Max tried his very best, and I was surpirsed that he gave Rossie the shake after the race, a true turn of attitude. Maybe they has resolved their ANGER and put it into a reasonable amount of respect. Hopefully it will be a great duel.

But in 250cc I am a big fan of PORTO. Of his ride was AMAZING, Porto should have won, but his off course exersion cost him dearly. Him and the Bike are looking great.

IN 125cc great to see young talent blossoming at such a young age for Stoner, and Dovistioso(can't spell his name) but the last race winner. OH thjose last two corner wins were GREAT!!!! great talent, it was FANTASRIC.

Pedroso showed enormous talent in his rdie, with that last corner win. GREAT. Even with two broken ankles, and a long time of the bike, it was AMAZING to see the young spaniard to win his very first 250cc race.

[Mox]

Quote[/b] (Cesare @ April 22 2004,03:15)]Quote[/b] (Mox @ April 21 2004,16:49)]I trust AtlasF1 until a better source comes out.

Luca and MS ran shakedowns at the same time, running in the 58s range.

I think 62 sounds more likely. 59s would put him in a competetive state from day 1 in the car, and even though he has tremendous talent, I don't believe you can find those levels of competetiveness within the 20 laps he drove.
He needs to get used to braking distances, cornering forces, grip levels, track lines ... all within 20 laps - and be on pace with Luca's best laps at Fiorano.

Nah ... I don't buy it ... yet.
http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Source: Datasport (Wednesday 21, 21:07)  
Fiorano: Valentino under the minute with the Ferrari.  
The Tavullia's driver approaches to Michael's record Schumacher.

Another sources: F1-live.com, ANSA.

Of course, I'm a believer. http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif  http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Right ... Atlas reports the "under 1 minute" now as well, so I'm buying it http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Da Professor]

Quote[/b] (Mox @ April 22 2004,12:32)]Quote[/b] (Cesare @ April 22 2004,03:15)]Quote[/b] (Mox @ April 21 2004,16:49)]I trust AtlasF1 until a better source comes out.

Luca and MS ran shakedowns at the same time, running in the 58s range.

I think 62 sounds more likely. 59s would put him in a competetive state from day 1 in the car, and even though he has tremendous talent, I don't believe you can find those levels of competetiveness within the 20 laps he drove.
He needs to get used to braking distances, cornering forces, grip levels, track lines ... all within 20 laps - and be on pace with Luca's best laps at Fiorano.

Nah ... I don't buy it ... yet.
http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Source: Datasport (Wednesday 21, 21:07)  
Fiorano: Valentino under the minute with the Ferrari.  
The Tavullia's driver approaches to Michael's record Schumacher.

Another sources: F1-live.com, ANSA.

Of course, I'm a believer. http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif  http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Right ... Atlas reports the "under 1 minute" now as well, so I'm buying it http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
I have just actually read that too.......I'll hold out until I see an official time, maybe in another not so secret test.

That time sounds too good to be true and oh man do I want it to be true. http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Mox]

There was no official timing.

[Da Professor]

I know there was no official timing. Thats why I'll wait until I see an offically posted time in a not so secret test. In other words, when he gets another opportunity to drive the car.........you know that is coming with the hype that will be generated with this lastest test.

[F1 Observer]

MICHAEL SCHUMACHER ABOUT ROSSI'S TEST:
"He really enjoyed himself.Of course, it took him a while to get used to it, but he was very impressive by the end of the day. I know he has done some karting, but at the end of the day, when you have racing in your blood, you know what to do."

MICHAEL SCHUMACHER ON THE HIPOTHESIS OF SWAPING PLACES WITH ROSSI:
"I think going from two wheels to four is quite safe, but going from four to two is not. I would like to see how his bike accelerates, but I would not want to test its cornering."

Source (http://f1.racing-live.com/en/index.html?http://f1.racing-live.com/en/headlines/news/detail/040423110905.shtml)

[cavallino rampante]

that's what I don't like about Schumacher, though I'm a huge Ferrari fan:
he might even win 700 races in a row, but you can't surely call him "lionheart".

"I would like to see how his bike accelerates, but I would not want to test its cornering."

so all you want in your life as a racer is get the best car, be sure your teammate is not as competitve as you, earn 150 million $ in a year, and try not to spoil your hairstyle when you take your helmet off....

[F1 Observer]

Yes,that's exactely it,me too!Now you said it all, Alberto!

And furthermore I think it's got nothing to do with being a Ferrari fan or not...'Cuz in Ferrari's case,drivers come and go,managers may leave for better paychecks,but the myth stays intact.

[cavallino rampante]

Quote[/b] (F1 Observer @ April 23 2004,19:13)]Yes,that's exactely it,me too!Now you said it all, Alberto!

And furthermore I think it's got nothing to do with being a Ferrari fan or not...'Cuz in Ferrari's case,drivers come and go,managers may leave for better paychecks,but the myth stays intact.
I couldn't agree more with you, Nuno.
I mean.....I, like many many others, have been waiting for Ferrari to clinch a world title for 21 years and all I can do now is thank Schumacher, because without him the Italian Scuderia wouldn't be so amazingly strong now.
But I think there must be more to a professional driver than winning a race every two weeks. Perhaps it's just a matter of personality, but though you can't ask Schumacher to be as hOt-blooded as Alesi, you can at least wish you could hear him say :" GOD...I'D GIVE UP TWO YEARS OF MY LIFE TO RIDE ROSSI'S BIKE FOR 10 MINUTES".
Maybe times are changing, maybe we Ferrari fans live together with the illusion one day we'll have another Gilles Villeneuve, or most likely there must be something wrong with modern Formula 1; and not only as far as the drivers are concerned....
These years you get a drive though penalty if you don't overtake according to FIA "how to overtake guide". If Villeneuve and Arnoux could fight again in 2004 as they did 25 years ago in France, they'd be put inside now....
Maybe mine is just nostalgia, but nobody can prevent me from thinking Formula one needs Valentino Rossi

[cavallino rampante]

Quote[/b] (Mox @ April 22 2004,18:32)]Quote[/b] (Cesare @ April 22 2004,03:15)]Quote[/b] (Mox @ April 21 2004,16:49)]I trust AtlasF1 until a better source comes out.

Luca and MS ran shakedowns at the same time, running in the 58s range.

I think 62 sounds more likely. 59s would put him in a competetive state from day 1 in the car, and even though he has tremendous talent, I don't believe you can find those levels of competetiveness within the 20 laps he drove.
He needs to get used to braking distances, cornering forces, grip levels, track lines ... all within 20 laps - and be on pace with Luca's best laps at Fiorano.

Nah ... I don't buy it ... yet.
http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Source: Datasport (Wednesday 21, 21:07)  
Fiorano: Valentino under the minute with the Ferrari.  
The Tavullia's driver approaches to Michael's record Schumacher.

Another sources: F1-live.com, ANSA.

Of course, I'm a believer. http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif  http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Right ... Atlas reports the "under 1 minute" now as well, so I'm buying it http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
YOU UNBELIEVER !! http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Da Professor]

Rossi has been invited back to test in December.

http://www.gp2004.com/news....ar=2004 (http://www.gp2004.com/news/news.php?lang=uk&lastpoll=&id=5524&mode=detail&month=4&year=2004)

I'll wait until then and hopefully it will be officially timed. I hope he does well, but until then, I will admire how he uses the rear brakes, his mastery of race craft, and fantastic celebrations. http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[haryan]

now sete and max are well ahead of the yamaha
i think rossi still need some more time to beat hondas http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Viva la Alonso]

Yes, he doctor may need a little bit more time, but expect the Doctor to be back on the winning podium soon, as his talent on two wheels is just too hard to comprehend....

[Da Professor]

Well, if he wins the title this year he can be cemented as one of the greatest of all-time, if not the greatest.

[haryan]

Quote[/b] (Da Professor @ May 24 2004,18:45)]Well, if he wins the title this year he can be cemented as one of the greatest of all-time, if not the greatest.
well well well
valentino wins in italy http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
and he beats sete and biaggi
in dry and wet conditions http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
he is on his way to the championship this year
and he is one of the greats on two wheels http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Da Professor]

A true signature ride from Rossi at Mugello. The more I think he can not amaze me any more, he goes ahead and does. He held off the Hondas on the very long straight. The restart and finish was brilliant....another successful surgery for THE DOCTOR.

I feel bad for Tamada and Nakano.

[Viva la Alonso]

YAH!!! PORTO won the 250cc. ABOUT time!! I was very happy http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

125cc was a great race,

And Rossi what is left to say about the DOCTOR.... nothing, the best! http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[cavallino rampante]

Miracles do happen....
Nakano is still in one piece

[Viva la Alonso]

And its FINALLY happened, Spider man Xuas the crash man, who needs training wheels, finished in a GREAT 5th place, well done Spider http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[haryan]

Quote[/b] (Viva la Alonso @ June 07 2004,17:38)]And its FINALLY happened, Spider man Xuas the crash man, who needs training wheels, finished in a GREAT 5th place, well done Spider http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
it was nice to see xaus and his former team mate troy
fighting at the head of field
wish thay do it on regular basis http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[Mox]

Sadly the only dane in there, Robbin Harms (strange name too), crashed heavily and hurt pretty bad in the 125cc race http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

He'll be ok though. http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[mar]

Looks like the Ducatis have lost performance comparing to last year.

[haryan]

Quote[/b] (mar @ June 09 2004,03:46)]Looks like the Ducatis have lost performance comparing to last year.
yeah ............
they should have raced on 2003 bikes http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[Viva la Alonso]

Well it is meant to be handling probs, because last years bike was too quick, and too hot to handle.... They may fix it by the end of the season, then they can compete at the front regulary http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[haryan]

Quote[/b] (Viva la Alonso @ June 11 2004,18:42)]Well it is meant to be handling probs, because last years bike was too quick, and too hot to handle.... They may fix it by the end of the season, then they can compete at the front regulary http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
it will be great to see ducatis in front
rossi on yamaha vs
sete, biaggi on honda vs
capirossi, troy on ducati

ummm interesting

[cavallino rampante]

I can't wait to see Rossi riding a red Ducati

maybe in 2006

[haryan]

Quote[/b] (cavallino rampante @ June 12 2004,13:30)]I can't wait to see Rossi riding a red Ducati

maybe in 2006
thats little difficult i believe
because of his pay demands,
ducati want to invest more in reasearch
and development than pay rossi

[haryan]

VALENTINO WINS AT BARCELONA http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
the doctor has finished an delicate , tense and very serious surgery
on his rivals http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Mox]

And dresses appropriately on the victory lap http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[haryan]

Quote[/b] (Mox @ June 13 2004,20:36)]And dresses appropriately on the victory lap http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
that was a crazy thing to do
and i think it was preplanned only http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[Da Professor]

Well, after THE DOCTOR  gave his check-up on the Yamaha....he has given it a clean bill of health and is deemed very fit to challenge the WC. Maybe Sete needs to bring his Honda to Rossi because if Rossi can win at tracks where horsepower will give a distinct advantage, Giberneau will be in trouble at some of the tighter tracks like Saschenring and Valencia.

[haryan]

Quote[/b] (Da Professor @ June 14 2004,19:53)]Well, after THE DOCTOR  gave his check-up on the Yamaha....he has given it a clean bill of health and is deemed very fit to challenge the WC. Maybe Sete needs to bring his Honda to Rossi because if Rossi can win at tracks where horsepower will give a distinct advantage, Giberneau will be in trouble at track some of the tighter tracks like Saschenring and Valencia.
http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
thats very true.

[Griffin]

I've lost a little bit of the high regard I held Rossi in after that last race.

I've got no doubt in my mind that the last lap "tap" that he performed on Gibernau was deliberate (I think any contact between two bikes with their riders in control is deliberate) - and, besides being unsporting, it's also pretty dangerous, especially on MotoGP bikes. Sure, Gibernau stayed on, but he could just as easily gone down like Barros.

After all, it's easier to pass on a bike than it is in an F1 car, for example, and it's definitely not acceptable for drivers to deliberately give others a "friendly tap" to aid their passing.

[haryan]

That was purely accidental tap........
sete was also too close to comfort.........
But VALENTINO ROSSI Has proved that he is a Genius
on track........
GO VALENTINO GO

[mar]

Quote[/b] (cavallino rampante @ June 12 2004,10:30)]I can't wait to see Rossi riding a red Ducati

maybe in 2006
Red Ducati or red Ferrari?

[Phreakmeister]

And where did all of this happen? On one of the most beautiful tracks on the FIM calendar, Assen http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
(The 1978 Dutch TT was won by a certain Johnny Cecotto, btw.)

[Da Professor]

That last lap pass by Rossi was hardly anything unsporting. Sete left the door open and Rossi took advantage. I have seen riders have contact, Rossi/Giberneau does not constitute getting roughed up or showed anything deliberate. I have more of a problem if a rider uses his elbows to make passes, which if I am not mistaken I have seen Sete do that. Sete knew he gave that race away to Rossi as he basically said as much. I feel a bit bad that you feel that way Griffin, but hey it not like its world affairs. http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[mar]

Max Biaggi seems not to be able to compete at the Rossi/Gibernau level this year.

Melandri is a surprise as he seems to be starting to outpace his Yamaha-experienced teammate Checa.

And Barros is always good for a stunt.

[NGNM]

I must agree with Da Professor, Griffin http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif As you can see in the press conference right after the race, Sete wasn't very happy... with himself and the way he lost the race, not with Rossi. http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Valentino made a clear move and then just did what Sete was doing in the beginning of that last lap: tried to defend his position, without any unsporting move, that's all http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[haryan]

Quote[/b] (NGNM @ June 28 2004,06:57)] As you can see in the press conference right after the race, Sete wasn't very happy... with himself and the way he lost the race, not with Rossi. http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Valentino made a clear move
yeah...
sete was more angry on himself rather than on Rossi....
And it was a very nerve wracking race till the finish.....
we are going to watch some more nerve wrackers between
these two riders..........
and i think Max Biaggi is out of the championship contention...
he is not able to match the pace set by these two at the front....

[cavallino rampante]

with two laps two go, I thought this time Valentino wouldn't be able to succeed.

HE IS A REAL WIZARD

[NGNM]

Quote[/b] (cavallino rampante @ June 30 2004,17:30)]with two laps two go, I thought this time Valentino wouldn't be able to succeed.

HE IS A REAL WIZARD
In the last lap, with a few CORNERS! to go, I thought the same!!! http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif  http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif  http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[cavallino rampante]

All the Yamaha riders are taking advantage of Rossi's way to develop the bike.
HRC are cutting out a very poor figure.

[Viva la Alonso]

PORTO!!!!!!!
Another convincing win, 2 in a row. He has a very quick bike, and a fine tuned set-up. BRILLIANT SKILL ASWELL.

GO PORTO!!!!

[cavallino rampante]

Yesterday Rossi waste the chance to get some more points and leave Gibernau behind his shoulders.
They both will have to start at zero once again.

I was sure Rossi wouldn't content himself with a 4th place and would try to go for the win

BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME, VALENTINO!!

[Viva la Alonso]

even when Rossi crashes he gets luck. It is going to be an awesome title fight no doubt!! And well done Tamada a well deserved victory

[Da Professor]

very rare to Rossi on his backside. He blew his shot to really put pressure on Sete and Honda fleet of riders. Congrats to Tamada for his first GP win.

[The Artist]

Valantino Rossi is the "Schumacher" http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif WHY HIM, of the MotoGP. He wins with every engine. Gibernau won't be champion @ the end of 2004

[cavallino rampante]

Quote[/b] (mar @ June 27 2004,23:19)]Quote[/b] (cavallino rampante @ June 12 2004,10:30)]I can't wait to see Rossi riding a red Ducati

maybe in 2006
Red Ducati or red Ferrari?
Red Ducati. I don't think Rossi will ever be a formula 1 driver

[Cesare]

Quote[/b] (The Artist @ July 05 2004,10:32)]Valantino Rossi is the "Schumacher" http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif WHY HIM, of the MotoGP. He wins with every engine. Gibernau won't be champion @ the end of 2004
At least for me, Valentino is much better for MotoGP than Schumi is for F1.
Can you imagine Schumi running with a Cosworth engine? http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[NGNM]

Valentino has a simple but huge difference from Schumi: almost every MotoGP fan loves him http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[bOinG]

Quote[/b] (Cesare @ July 06 2004,02:29)]
Can you imagine Schumi running with a Cosworth engine?  http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif  http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Yes, I can!

Michael was World Champion in '94 with a non-turbo FORD engine!

http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[Griffin]

Quote[/b] (bOinG @ July 06 2004,13:52)]Quote[/b] (Cesare @ July 06 2004,02:29)]
Can you imagine Schumi running with a Cosworth engine? http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Yes, I can!

Michael was World Champion in '94 with a non-turbo FORD engine!

http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Give the Ford Zetec R some credit - the fact that Schumi managed to finish second in a race, with only 5th gear, with that engine, speaks plenty of it's low end torque and powerband.

Sure, it wasn't the Renault 3.5L V10, but the Benneton chassis was better than the Williams for at least the first part of the season.

[haryan]

why are we discussing Michael and ford and renault in Valentino rossi's
post http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[haryan]

Did anyone follow Rio Motogp http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
i couldnt get to watch the race live but i did see the highlights
and was happy to see TAMADA on Bridgestones on the top step.....
pity that both Sete and Rossi crashed out and now it is a three way battle with Max 13 points behind both http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[mar]

Quote[/b] (haryan @ July 12 2004,09:27)]pity that both Sete and Rossi crashed out and now it is a three way battle with Max 13 points behind both http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
But that's good! http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[cavallino rampante]

Quote[/b] (mar @ July 13 2004,15:13)]Quote[/b] (haryan @ July 12 2004,09:27)]pity that both Sete and Rossi crashed out and now it is a three way battle with Max 13 points behind both http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
But that's good!  http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Biaggi cannot even dream of fighting for the title.

[haryan]

Quote[/b] (cavallino rampante @ July 13 2004,18:33)]Quote[/b] (mar @ July 13 2004,15:13)]Quote[/b] (haryan @ July 12 2004,09:27)]pity that both Sete and Rossi crashed out and now it is a three way battle with Max 13 points behind both http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
But that's good!  http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Biaggi cannot even dream of fighting for the title.
He will and can dream of as long as sete and rossi keep crashing http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[cavallino rampante]

Quote[/b] (haryan @ July 14 2004,09:49)]Quote[/b] (cavallino rampante @ July 13 2004,18:33)]Quote[/b] (mar @ July 13 2004,15:13)]Quote[/b] (haryan @ July 12 2004,09:27)]pity that both Sete and Rossi crashed out and now it is a three way battle with Max 13 points behind both http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
But that's good!  http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Biaggi cannot even dream of fighting for the title.
He will and can dream of as long as sete and rossi keep crashing  http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
watching Rossi crash is like metting the woman of your dreams. It can happen only once in a lifetime http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[cavallino rampante]

I meant meeting, sorry http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[haryan]

You mean He makes mistakes only once in a season like Michael claims he does http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[cavallino rampante]

exactly http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[haryan]

So we will not see a mistake from the Doctor again in the season http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[mar]

Quote[/b] (cavallino rampante @ July 14 2004,09:53)]watching Rossi crash is like metting the woman of your dreams. It can happen only once in a lifetime  http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Quote[/b] ]I meant meeting, sorry

Ahhh........ http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

I was already wondering what you mean by metting.........

Hahaha........... http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[haryan]

Quote[/b] (mar @ July 15 2004,01:29)]Ahhh........  http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif  http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

I was already wondering what you mean by metting.........

Hahaha...........  http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif  http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
ha ha ha ah ah aha hah ha ah ha

[haryan]

German MotoGP
i do not beleive what had happened on the track yesterday....
Rossi fighting with Biaggi and leading the race and losing the tyres at the end..
and what a funny situation it was yesterday for the guys in third position.. three guys got third position but only to crash out immediately http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Now the champonship is wide wider and widest open http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[cavallino rampante]

too bad Valentino had to slow down.....
he would have certainly won the race

[NGNM]

What a disapointment for Valentino this GP must have been. And I think that Mad Max hasn't got the stuff of the champions, as he has perhaps the best equipment of the grid, and still he only won because of Valentino's tyres.

I think that Valentino is the most serious tittle competitor, as Gibernau doesn't seem able to stand the pressure of a WC fight, and Biaggi is miles behind Rossi's excelence. http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[haryan]

the DOCTOR is back at the surgery
what a race it was at Donington park.......
Max finished 12th way behind at the back
and Sete was 3rd and Doctor Valentino Rossi is on his way to another title http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[cavallino rampante]

great win by Valentino


He's the Italian Schumacher http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[haryan]

Quote[/b] (cavallino rampante @ July 26 2004,20:06)]great win by Valentino


He's the Italian Schumacher  http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
schumacher on two wheels ... eh http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
that sounds good...
really good and
Max Biaggi is Montoya http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[cavallino rampante]

Quote[/b] (haryan @ July 26 2004,17:18)]Quote[/b] (cavallino rampante @ July 26 2004,20:06)]great win by Valentino


He's the Italian Schumacher  http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
schumacher on two wheels ... eh http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
that sounds good...
really good and
Max Biaggi is Montoya  http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[haryan]

and by the way is sete fernando or kimi http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
and nicky hayden is trulli
and tamada is sato http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[NGNM]

Like nobody discussed Sete's win in Brno a week ago, I thought I could start it.

Do you think that Valentino is already (with 6 GPs to go) thinking in the WC points, and settled for a confortable 2nd place, or was he really unable to defeat Sete?

[haryan]

Quote[/b] (NGNM @ Aug. 28 2004,22:42)]Do you think that Valentino is already (with 6 GPs to go) thinking in the WC points, and settled for a confortable 2nd place, or was he really unable to defeat Sete?
Yep ......
you can compare that Race to Spa .... http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[NGNM]

Quote[/b] (haryan @ Sep. 01 2004,14:48)]Quote[/b] (NGNM @ Aug. 28 2004,22:42)]Do you think that Valentino is already (with 6 GPs to go) thinking in the WC points, and settled for a confortable 2nd place, or was he really unable to defeat Sete?
Yep ......
you can compare that Race to Spa ....  http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
With just a little difference: MS clinched his tittle, VR no http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[cavallino rampante]

Quote[/b] (NGNM @ Aug. 28 2004,19:42)]Like nobody discussed Sete's win in Brno a week ago, I thought I could start it.

Do you think that Valentino is already (with 6 GPs to go) thinking in the WC points, and settled for a confortable 2nd place, or was he really unable to defeat Sete?
I think Valentino simply wasn't fast enough to beat Sete in Brno, but I honestly admired his attempts to get the win despite his Yamaha's worse performances.
He "surrendered" when he realized he just couldn't get more than a second place. He probably didn't want to make the same mistake he made in Brazil. A sort of... Prost on two wheels http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[haryan]

Quote[/b] (NGNM @ Sep. 01 2004,17:57)]With just a little difference: MS clinched his tittle, VR no http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
VR did consolidate his Championship lead ....

[Griffin]

I don't think he'd have made it - Rossi said that his rubber went off late in the race, and pushing on might have meant he could have fallen.

Sitting in second, I guess Valentino called it quits. Discretion is the greater part of valour after all.

[haryan]

Quote[/b] (Griffin @ Sep. 01 2004,18:56)]Sitting in second, I guess Valentino called it quits. Discretion is the greater part of valour after all.
that meant Second place finish and 20 points and a lead in championship standings ... http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[bOinG]

Just got back from attending the 2004 Portuguese Moto GP... A lousy one, actually! WHAT A DRAG! http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

I didn't see a single overtake during the race and Valentino, once again, did a quiet walk in the park!

So, Moto GP isn't that much 'thrilling' nowadays like it used to!

And Valentino being a brilliant biker, maybe one of the best moto racers of all times, is greatly contributing to the lack of competition!

It's the major drawback of having drivers so much better than the competition (just like the way it happens with MS in the F1)...

I can perfectly live with that... I enjoy watching pure talent human beings in any sport, totally outshadowing their opponents!

http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[NGNM]

Quote[/b] (bOinG @ Sep. 05 2004,21:52)]Just got back from attending the 2004 Portuguese Moto GP... A lousy one, actually! WHAT A DRAG!  http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Just like MS in F1 http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[NGNM]

Quote[/b] (bOinG @ Sep. 05 2004,21:52)]I didn't see a single overtake during the race and Valentino, once again, did a quiet walk in the park!

So, Moto GP isn't that much 'thrilling' nowadays like it used to!
Well, I saw it live too, and I agree that it wasn't very exciting, but you if regularly see the MotoGP WC, you're aware that your coment is not so correct, because this race was almost an exception to the thrilling and exciting ones we've been having all year.
It's just that this time Valentino used a different tactic - instead of fighting with the Hondas and ending the race almost without tyres, he pulled away and left the Hondas to battle between them. http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[cavallino rampante]

this season is shaping up to have a nail biting conclusion....
let's wait and see

FORZA VALENTINO!!

[haryan]

What is there to bite our nails now ....... Championship is almost decided and unless Yamaha withdraw their participation from next race onwards there is no doubt on who will be the 2004MotoGP champion
Valentino has simply proved for an umpteenth time what he is ...... an ILL DOTTORRE ... he is the doctor ... smooth , precise and cutting to the point

[haryan]

Camel MotoGrand Prix of China ..........
Won By a Camel Honda Rider ....... Japanese rising star Tamada has upset the Crowd Favorite Valentino Rossi on a Yamaha and won his 2nd GP this season ...
What a First corner it was ..... Biaggi was the biggest loser of all in that carnage effectively ending his championship battle .... Sete finished 6th to garner some championship points ......
Great to see a Kawasaki on podium .....
Honda -1 , Yamaha - 2 , Kawasaki -3 in Japan http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[orrmate199076]

F1 definetely needs to take a leaf out of Moto GP's book.
I think the F1 board are too busy looking down their noses at other championships that they don't seem to realise that, if the excitement of moto GP was transfered to F1, F1 would be brilliant.
Perhaps what F1 needs is a new board?
Rossi is the greatest, I heard Agostini this week saying rossi was good, but not the greatest.
Being the best ain't a numbers game, and I think if Rossi wins with Yamaha, Ago will have to eat his words.

[cavallino rampante]

JAPANESE GP

another step towards the title....

FORZA VALENTINO!!

[mar]

Quote[/b] (orrmate199076 @ Sep. 19 2004,17:14)]Rossi is the greatest, I heard Agostini this week saying rossi was good, but not the greatest.
Being the best ain't a numbers game, and I think if Rossi wins with Yamaha, Ago will have to eat his words.
To reach Ago's level, Rossi has still a long way to go.

Ago has won 15 championships while Rossi won 5.

Ago has won 122 GP's while Rossi won 65.

[Viva la Alonso]

Quote[/b] (cavallino rampante @ Sep. 20 2004,15:39)]JAPANESE GP

another step towards the title....

FORZA VALENTINO!!
Makoto Tamada rode a brilliant race, same cant be said for LORIS, who caused a stupid crash, ramming John Hopkins and the rest off. It was shades of last year when Hopkins did what Loris did, so the tides have turned. And it was a simple case, of its going to come back and bite you.

[haryan]

Quote[/b] (Viva la Alonso @ Sep. 21 2004,18:52)]Quote[/b] (cavallino rampante @ Sep. 20 2004,15:39)]JAPANESE GP

another step towards the title....

FORZA VALENTINO!!
Makoto Tamada rode a brilliant race, same cant be said for LORIS, who caused a stupid crash, ramming John Hopkins and the rest off.
But I will say that Shinya Nakano on that Kawasaki was the Star of the Race .......

[haryan]

Qatar Moto GP .......
The Inaugural and Controversial race at Qatar was a disaster for Valentino Rossi .....
Valentino and his arch rival Max were penalised and started form the end of the grid .......... and valentino fell from his bike on 4th lap and DNFed the race leaving Sete Gibernau the Victor ...... and this victory of Sete and Non Finish of Valentino has put the MotoGP championship wide open again .......
Valentino is on top of the standings with 229 points and Sete chasing him down with 215 points and the Max is in a distant 3rd place with 168 points

The HIGHLIGHT of the race was Rubens Xaus on a Ducati finish THIRD .......

[cavallino rampante]

a very unsportsmanlike move by Honda and Gibernau himself.
I believe Valentino will make it to the title all the same

FORZA VALENTINO, L'ITALIA E' CON TE !!!

[Griffin]

That penalty was imposed because Valentino and Max were caught "preparing" their grid places, wasn't it?

What's the rule about that, and what exactly was done?

[F1 Observer]

Quote[/b] (Griffin @ Oct. 03 2004,09:37)]That penalty was imposed because Valentino and Max were caught "preparing" their grid places, wasn't it?

What's the rule about that, and what exactly was done?
Preparing?
Fixing places?

How's that? http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

[cavallino rampante]

Rossi was penalised six seconds after his Yamaha team were caught trying to lay down rubber on his eighth place on the grid in an effort to improve grip while Biaggi's Honda team were punished for 'washing' his starting spot.

That's exactly what Giberanau's team did on the day before the race at the beginning of the season, but the Spaniard wasn't penalised.

[F1 Observer]

I see...

grazie alberto!

[haryan]

Quote[/b] (cavallino rampante @ Oct. 03 2004,17:22)]Rossi was penalised six seconds after his Yamaha team were caught trying to lay down rubber on his eighth place on the grid in an effort to improve grip while Biaggi's Honda team were punished for 'washing' his starting spot.
According to MOTOGP paddock rumours , it was Ducati who have complained against both the Italians ......

Quote[/b] ]That's exactly what Giberanau's team did on the day before the race at the beginning of the season, but the Spaniard wasn't penalised.
maybe NOBODY complained then ....... http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[F1 Observer]

But authorities should be vigilant about violating the rules and not investigating JUST because someone complains or not...

[Griffin]

Quote[/b] (cavallino rampante @ Oct. 03 2004,22:22)]Rossi was penalised six seconds after his Yamaha team were caught trying to lay down rubber on his eighth place on the grid in an effort to improve grip while Biaggi's Honda team were punished for 'washing' his starting spot.

That's exactly what Giberanau's team did on the day before the race at the beginning of the season, but the Spaniard wasn't penalised.
Thanks for outlining that, Alberto http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Cesare]

A bad weekend happens. Remember Schumi in FERRARI last weekend. Valentino has been able to be in the fight for the title despite of not starting with the best team, he's the greatest ever. http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

My contribution to what Alberto said:

Il dottore sará il campione mondiale 2004.  
Forza Valentino il MONDO é con te.  http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[cavallino rampante]

GRAZIE CESARE http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

it's not a matter of bad weekends.
I know that what the Yamaha team did was illegal. But that's exactly what every team do on Saturdays before the Sunday race. No-one has ever had anything to complain about.

what can I say?....Gibernau is no Michael Doohan. Doohan was a real gentleman. No matter if he won or lost, he was always fair to his rivals.

[Cesare]

Grazie Alberto, you showed me the light with your last post.
http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Ma non dimenticare:

FORZA VALENTINO!!!
FORZA ITALIA!!!
http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[haryan]

Quote[/b] (Cesare @ Oct. 03 2004,19:56)]My contribution to what Alberto said:

Il dottore sará il campione mondiale 2004.  
Forza Valentino il MONDO é con te.  http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Translation Please , ......

[cavallino rampante]

Quote[/b] (haryan @ Oct. 05 2004,07:41)]Quote[/b] (Cesare @ Oct. 03 2004,19:56)]My contribution to what Alberto said:

Il dottore sará il campione mondiale 2004.  
Forza Valentino il MONDO é con te.  http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Translation Please , ......
IL MONDO E' CON TE = THE WORLD IS WITH YOU

[F1 Observer]

Il dottore sará il campione mondiale 2004 = "The Doctor" will be the 2004 World Champion http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

(P.S.:Hope so! http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif )

[mar]

So are you allowed to clean or rubber your starting spot on the day before the race but not on the race day? http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[F1 Observer]

What are the advantages of doing one way or the other?
Traction?

[cavallino rampante]

Quote[/b] (F1 Observer @ Oct. 05 2004,14:36)]What are the advantages of doing one way or the other?
Traction?
exactly.
Rossi's penalization was just an excuse....

[mar]

Today Vale fought back extending his lead over Sete to 30 points.
He can fix the title this week already.

[haryan]

Now the Focus of MotoGP shifts to Phillip Island .... where Ill Dottore can snatch up his MotoGP crown and create a record for winning the championship for two Different Bike manufacturers in two years in Modern MotoGP era .....

[cavallino rampante]

what a race....
Gibernau, you shouldn't have made Valentino so angry http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
now it's hopeless to even try to clinch te title.

watching Valentino sliding on the track s the only thing that I like as much as watching Ferrari win

http://www.moto-net.com/images/motogp2004/sepang_rossi_03.jpg

http://www.moto-net.com/images/motogp2004/phillip_island2_rossi.jpg

FORZA VALENTINO!!

[F1 Observer]

I'm terribly annoyed to see is beautiful bike being constantly "censored" with the word "GO!!!!!!!" instead of "Gauloises"...

I mean it's not a bad word nor slang,it's just a tobacco brand for God's sake! http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

And it makes the bike a lot prettier...
That's ridiculous to change the livery like that!Remember when Jordan had painted in their cars "Be On Edge" instead of "Benson and Hedges"?

I rather see the word not being painted at all than seeing this...We all know that it's a tobacco brand hidden under a ridiculous name,so what's the point?!

(P.S.:Don't know if this weakens my position but I'm a smoker) http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[haryan]

Quote[/b] (F1 Observer @ Oct. 11 2004,17:05)]I rather see the word not being painted at all than seeing this...We all know that it's a tobacco brand hidden under a ridiculous name,so what's the point?!
that is called Surrogate advertising .....
Even that will be gone by July 2005. EU Anti Tobacco laws state that there shall be NO surrogate Advertising also ....
Which means NO "GO!!!!!!!!" ... NO "BE ON EDGE" ..... NO "BLUE WORLD" ....... NO "KIMI" ........ NO "TEAM" NO "LUCKIES"

[cavallino rampante]

Quote[/b] (F1 Observer @ Oct. 11 2004,14:05)]I'm terribly annoyed to see is beautiful bike being constantly "censored" with the word "GO!!!!!!!" instead of "Gauloises"...

I mean it's not a bad word nor slang,it's just a tobacco brand for God's sake! http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

And it makes the bike a lot prettier...
That's ridiculous to change the livery like that!Remember when Jordan had painted in their cars "Be On Edge" instead of "Benson and Hedges"?

I rather see the word not being painted at all than seeing this...We all know that it's a tobacco brand hidden under a ridiculous name,so what's the point?!

(P.S.:Don't know if this weakens my position but I'm a smoker)  http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
I gave up smoking a long time ago

Sportsmen like Rossi are a model to many young people.
I think it's wrong to associate whatever sportsman to a tobacco brand

[haryan]

Quote[/b] (cavallino rampante @ Oct. 11 2004,17:34)]Sportsmen like Rossi are a model to many young people.
I think it's wrong to associate whatever sportsman to a tobacco brand
yeah ........ he once said that he will never Sport Tobacco sponsor ship ......... he doesnt want to be a Icon associated with Tobacco ......
But his change to Yamaha was sponsored by Gauloises and he had no other option but to Advertise for GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[F1 Observer]

GO!!!!!!!!!!!LOUISE,GO!!! http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[cavallino rampante]

just a few hours till the championship decider on Phillip Island
I just can't wait...

FORZA VALENTINO!

[cavallino rampante]

CAMPIONE DEL MONDO!!!

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040919/i/r333929679.jpg

http://images.virgilio.it/n_canali/donne/rd/Valentino_Rossi_185.jpg

[F1 Observer]

Valentino Rossi re-writes history...

Stat wise he isn't the best ever,but at this rate he will be...And I never seen another human being so at ease with his bike...He's a magician,he can so whatever he pleases with that bike,so...In what regards talent,he is already the most talented MOTO GP driver there is...And the stats?Just a matter of time if you ask me...

P.S.:Not only he's the first man to win 2 consecutive WCs with different bikes,but in the first race of this year he also was the first man to win consecutive races with a different bike (last GP of 2003 - first GP of 2004)

[F1 Observer]

Back on topic,look what Valentino made out of Yamaha in just ONE year...Impressive competitive improvement...

I must say that before the season started I though they would never make it 'cause the bike just wasn't good enough...

[cavallino rampante]

it was just as though Michael Schumacher had clinched the title at the end of his first year at Ferrari's.
A stunning achievement. I think he shouldn't leave Motogp for F1, (although it would be great to see him in a Ferrari), because watching him ride is an uncomparable experience.

GRAZIE VALENTINO!
ITALIANS DO IT BETTER http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[F1 Observer]

Italy has a tradition in MOTO GP that no other country achieved...Most of the riders are italian,most wins,records,and titles too...

Except for Mick Doohan,Surtees and Hailwood,all all-time greats are italian...

[mar]

Quote[/b] (F1 Observer @ Oct. 17 2004,12:36)]P.S.:Not only he's the first man to win 2 consecutive WCs with different bikes...
Well, almost.... http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

World Champions:
.....................................................
.....................................................
.....................................................
1989 500cc LAWSON, Eddie USA Honda
1988 500cc LAWSON, Eddie USA Yamaha
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[F1 Observer]

Hate to have wrong stats http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

Thanks for correcting me,mar! http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Cesare]

Quote[/b] (cavallino rampante @ Oct. 17 2004,01:44)]CAMPIONE DEL MONDO!!!

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040919/i/r333929679.jpg

http://images.virgilio.it/n_canali/donne/rd/Valentino_Rossi_185.jpg
SEI IL PIU GRANDE DOTTORE!!

In motorsport world there isn't nobody greater than Valentino nowadays. He's the greatest ever on a motorcycle, without a doubt!

FORZA ITALIA!!

[mar]

Quote[/b] (F1 Observer @ Oct. 17 2004,15:29)]Hate to have wrong stats http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

Thanks for correcting me,mar! http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
You're welcome. http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Anyway Vale is only the second driver to achieve that goal.

[Cesare]

BTW the final lap was incredible. As Valentino's T-shirt said:
Che spettacolo = What a show http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[haryan]

Congratulations to Valentino and YAMAHA on clinching MOTOGP World Championship ........

[NGNM]

Just fantastic! Vale is the real Master of MotoGP. http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Cesare]

Is somebody seeing the GP of Valencia right now?

Impressive first 6 laps of Valentino, going from the sixth to the first place. http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[mar]

True.

Biaggi is angry because Gibernau pushed him aside.

[NGNM]

Quote[/b] (Cesare @ Oct. 31 2004,14:15)]Is somebody seeing the GP of Valencia right now?  
 
Impressive first 6 laps of Valentino, going from the sixth to the first place. http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
Yes, those laps were amazing, but he got tremendous luck on how he got from 4th to 2nd... but the 2nd time he got the lead, he showed everyone once again why he's the n.1 (or 46 http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif )

[kimiiceman]

Well he was sensational today...he is really fantastic...but my favourite driver Biaggi ended right behind him...

[haryan]

What a way to end the season .....
with a victory at Valencia ...... BIKE Country

Valentino gave us Another SPECTACLE ......

[NGNM]

The closest Yamaha finished 10th...

In Valencia Rossi scored his 9th win of the season, equaling his last season at Honda. Amazing.

[orrmate199076]

i dont think sete will be vale's main problem next season.
Two words: Makoto Tamada
depending on bridgestone, i think he will be vale's main contender.

[kimiiceman]

Well in wet conditions Sete is unstopable but unhapily for him it is not always raining... http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[haryan]

Quote[/b] (kimiiceman @ Nov. 01 2004,20:01)]Well in wet conditions Sete is unstopable but unhapily for him it is not always raining... http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
I think its the Honda Wet Weather settings package which makes Sete win in Rain as Rossi is also a very good rain rider ... he just has to get the Yamaha settings correct ....

[cavallino rampante]

2003 - Honda, 9 wins
2004 - Yamaha, 9 wins

Dear Biaggi, he wasn't winning just because he had the best package....

[kimiiceman]

Even when Rossi was driving for Honda Sete was clearly faster then him in wet conditions...In wet Sete is better, no doubts! http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Achille Varzi]

Yes, it seems Sete thrives in the wet. In truth motorcycle track racing is a bit strange when it rains, but it shows Sete's sensitivity with the bike.
Another great rain biker is Rolfo in the 250 series. He's been riding a pig for the whole season, but when it rained he said bye bye to everyone and won.

[Tinos]

Quote[/b] (F1 Observer @ Oct. 17 2004,14:06)]Italy has a tradition in MOTO GP that no other country achieved...Most of the riders are italian,most wins,records,and titles too...

Except for Mick Doohan,Surtees and Hailwood,all all-time greats are italian...
Well Italy certainly has a great tradition in Moto GP with Rossi and Agostini certainly being two of the biggest names in the sports' history but there were some other great drivers too besides Surtees Hailwood and Doohan you already mentioned. Names like Kenny Roberts (senior), Freddie Spencer, Eddie Lawson, Kevin Schwantz and Wayne Rainey are real legends and they were all Americans. And also Angel Nieto in the smaller GP categories with more than 10 championships to his tally was really unbeatable in his time.

[NGNM]

Quote[/b] (Tinos @ Nov. 02 2004,16:31)]Quote[/b] (F1 Observer @ Oct. 17 2004,14:06)]Italy has a tradition in MOTO GP that no other country achieved...Most of the riders are italian,most wins,records,and titles too...

Except for Mick Doohan,Surtees and Hailwood,all all-time greats are italian...
Well Italy certainly has a great tradition in Moto GP with Rossi and Agostini certainly being two of the biggest names in the sports' history but there were some other great drivers too besides Surtees Hailwood and Doohan you already mentioned. Names like Kenny Roberts (senior), Freddie Spencer, Eddie Lawson, Kevin Schwantz and Wayne Rainey are real legends and they were all Americans. And also Angel Nieto in the smaller GP categories with more than 10 championships to his tally was really unbeatable in his time.
I totally agree, and I would add 3 more names:Geoff Duke (the dominant force between '51 and '55 with 4 WC); Phil Read (the man that interrupted 7 tittles in a row for Agostini); and Barry Sheene (2 WC and the man that gave Suzuki its firsts tittles in the mid 70s). http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[cavallino rampante]

Quote[/b] ]And also Angel Nieto in the smaller GP categories with more than 10 championships to his tally was really unbeatable in his time.


he never won a 500 title. What's the use in winning 10 250cc titles if you never get to win the 500 one?
it's like clinching the F3000 title 10 times without ever getting a formula 1 seat.

[orrmate199076]

I reckon the 10 all time best are:

1) Valentino Rossi
2) Freddie Spencer
3) Giacomo Agostini
4) Mick Doohan
5) John Surtees
6) Kenny Roberts Senior
7) Phil Read
8) Mike Hailwood
9) Geoff Duke
10) Wayne Rainey

Although tommorow this chart would look totally different because i change my mind every 2 minutes.

[orrmate199076]

Actually, I forgot one.
Daijiro Kato.
Still the only rider to win as a wildcard.
Won 250 championship in 2001.
Tragically died at the 2003 Japanese GP.
A future champion lost in my mind.
Rest in peace dai-chan.

[Tinos]

Quote[/b] (cavallino rampante @ Nov. 02 2004,17:54)]Quote[/b] ]And also Angel Nieto in the smaller GP categories with more than 10 championships to his tally was really unbeatable in his time.


he never won a 500 title. What's the use in winning 10 250cc titles if you never get to win the 500 one?
it's like clinching the F3000 title 10 times without ever getting a formula 1 seat.
You have a point here my friend, but Nieto never won a 500cc championship not because he tried and failed but because he did not want to. He simply liked the smaller bikes more and he managed to win 13 championships between 1969 and 1984. And although it's not the same as if he'd won 13 times the 500 cc , it's still a remarkable achievement, don't you agree?
Only Agostini has a bigger total in championships with 15 (8 in 500 and 7 in the 350 cc).
Another great rider in the smaller categories was Carlo Ubbiali with 9 championsips in 125 and 250 cc between 1951 and 1960

[NGNM]

Quote[/b] (orrmate199076 @ Nov. 02 2004,17:01)]I reckon the 10 all time best are:

1) Valentino Rossi
2) Freddie Spencer
3) Giacomo Agostini
4) Mick Doohan
5) John Surtees
6) Kenny Roberts Senior
7) Phil Read
8) Mike Hailwood
9) Geoff Duke
10) Wayne Rainey

Although tommorow this chart would look totally different because i change my mind every 2 minutes.
I think that Agostini has to come first in every pole in this sport - 8 tittles, 68 wins and 69 fastest laps it's records that no one has even got close to get.

[Tinos]

Anybody knows a good statistics site for MotoGP besides motorsportsetc.com ?

[Viva la Alonso]

Quote[/b] (orrmate199076 @ Nov. 02 2004,17:04)]Actually, I forgot one.
Daijiro Kato.
Still the only rider to win as a wildcard.
Won 250 championship in 2001.
Tragically died at the 2003 Japanese GP.
A future champion lost in my mind.
Rest in peace dai-chan.
My favourite rider. Died. I was in shock and in sorrow. I think i failed a math test the next day cause i was soo upset about it.

But to sum Rossi-SIMPLY A MARVAL.

[cavallino rampante]

Quote[/b] (orrmate199076 @ Nov. 02 2004,17:01)]I reckon the 10 all time best are:

1) Valentino Rossi
2) Freddie Spencer
3) Giacomo Agostini
4) Mick Doohan
5) John Surtees
6) Kenny Roberts Senior
7) Phil Read
8) Mike Hailwood
9) Geoff Duke
10) Wayne Rainey

Although tommorow this chart would look totally different because i change my mind every 2 minutes.
i would add Barry Sheen, Kevin Schwantz and Jarno Saarinen

[Viva la Alonso]

Quote[/b] (cavallino rampante @ Nov. 17 2004,16:42)]Quote[/b] (orrmate199076 @ Nov. 02 2004,17:01)]I reckon the 10 all time best are:

1) Valentino Rossi
2) Freddie Spencer
3) Giacomo Agostini
4) Mick Doohan
5) John Surtees
6) Kenny Roberts Senior
7) Phil Read
8) Mike Hailwood
9) Geoff Duke
10) Wayne Rainey

Although tommorow this chart would look totally different because i change my mind every 2 minutes.
i would add Barry Sheen, Kevin Schwantz and Jarno Saarinen
For sure. Good picks. Agostini should be number 1 from Rossi. Good to see Mike the Bike in there.

[NGNM]

Quote[/b] (Tinos @ Nov. 02 2004,19:33)]Anybody knows a good statistics site for MotoGP besides motorsportsetc.com ?
Try the motogp oficial site. They have all the stats there since the very beginning of the WC http://www.f1db.com/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif