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10-04-2005, 07:25 PM
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I have to disagree on a few of those "boring" seasons:
1953 saw two of the best races ever - the Hawthorn/Fangio duel at Reims and the Ascari/Farina/Fangio race-long dice at Monza.
1954 was interesting as well - Ferrari did manage to beat M-B twice.
1963-1965 includes 1964 where three drivers was in the running until the final lap of the final race - it doesn't get much closer than that!
1969 might've been a Stewart year, but Rindt certainly matched his pace and the British GP was another all-time favourite as Stewart and Rindt duelld in equally matched cars. Monza was - as usual in those days - a slipstreamer decided by mere inches, and Ickx did a brillant race at the Nurburgring.
1971 saw the Stewart-Ickx duel at Montjuich, Ickx vs. Rodriguez at Zandvoort, the closest finish ever at Monza and Ronnie P nearly beating Stewart in Canada. Ferrari and BRM were both quick but suffered vibrations from Firestone's slicks.
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1953 Yes, Hawthorn's career's first win in Reims was one of the best races ever, but those were 2 points of interest in a season where Ascari had 5 wins, 6 poles and 4FL in 8 starts.
1954 Interesting? Fangio had 6 wins in 8 starts!
When I wrotte 1963-1965 of course I meant only those 2 years, not 1964.
In 1969, again the British GP and the Italian GP were just points of interest in a season that saw Stewart win 6 of the first 8 races, and in that 8th round of a 11 race championship the Scottish driver was WC already with a little more than 70% of the championship run... it sounds boring to me, no?
In 1971 it was the same story: Stewart champ in the 8th round of the 11 race championship. He finished the championship 62-33 (Peterson) in points. Not boring? Tyrrell made 73pts against BRMs 36, Ferrari's and March's 33 and had 7 wins against 4 of all the other teams. Once more, of course this season had some points of interest as you mentioned, but I think in terms of tittle fights those were not interesting or exciting seasons at all.
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10-05-2005, 08:45 AM
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1953 Yes, Hawthorn's career's first win in Reims was one of the best races ever, but those were 2 points of interest in a season where Ascari had 5 wins, 6 poles and 4FL in 8 starts.
1954 Interesting? Fangio had 6 wins in 8 starts!
When I wrotte 1963-1965 of course I meant only those 2 years, not 1964.
In 1969, again the British GP and the Italian GP were just points of interest in a season that saw Stewart win 6 of the first 8 races, and in that 8th round of a 11 race championship the Scottish driver was WC already with a little more than 70% of the championship run... it sounds boring to me, no?
In 1971 it was the same story: Stewart champ in the 8th round of the 11 race championship. He finished the championship 62-33 (Peterson) in points. Not boring? Tyrrell made 73pts against BRMs 36, Ferrari's and March's 33 and had 7 wins against 4 of all the other teams. Once more, of course this season had some points of interest as you mentioned, but I think in terms of tittle fights those were not interesting or exciting seasons at all.
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Back when the driver's chance of surviving his career was about 50 percent, the individual races were often very exciting and the championship was just the icing on the cake, so even seasons when one driver ran away with the championship could be very interesting - today the drivers earn mega-bucks and the general public focuses on the championship more than the race.
In 1953 Maserati had the best engine, while Ferrari had the best chassis and on the faster tracks they were very even, but Ferrari tended to come out on top on the slower circuits.
Regarding 1954: Yes, Fangio won six times - but several of his wins came after very good races like the Italian GP where Ascari in a Ferrari duelled with Fangio until the Ferrari broke down. At the Nurburgring Karl Kling overtook his team-leader and ran away (afterwards he said thwe reason was that since his car had a leaking fuel tank he knew he was going to do a pit-stop, so he had to race at 100 percent all the way).
If you only look at the points sheet both 1969 and 1971 must seem like boring seasons. But if you check the season race by race, a different picture emerges - the number of retirements were much greater back then and often a driver like Chris Amon would look like taking the win only to have his car break down, while Ken Tyrrell's cars were always immaculately prepared and consequently enjoyed strong reliability.
The same goes for 1966 (only this season it was the Brabhams that lasted longer than the competition).
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For me, 1982. is year to remember. And also, the year to forget. We had 11 winners in 16 races, many of them for the first time (Patrese, De Angelis, Alboreto, Tambay, Rosberg), we had comeback of Lauda, one crazy finish of Monaco G.P., one of the closest finish in F1 (G.P. Austria), pole position of legendary Andretti in Monza, and battle for the title till to very last race of the season...
But sadly, we also lost one of the fastest man that world ever seen: Gilles Villeneuve...
And, unfortunatily, not just him, but also promising Riccardo Paletti and hevy injured Didier Pironi...
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We've had very exciting seasons during this 56 years of F1, like 1982, 1986, 1999 and also 2003. But, the thing is, can we rate 2006 as an exciting season? What would be that rate? just high or very high? In my opinion it has been interesting and funny, at least the most since 1998 and 2003, but i missed a third WDC and WCC contender that would have been McLaren. That definitely would have been the point to make this a memorable season. However, this season have seen turn is fate twice. After Canada, everything seemed to be in Alonso's hand. Then, we saw Michael's going up in the table to catch Alonso. And we also watched races where things turned upside down oftenly (Bahrain, Monaco, Hungary, Turkey, China...) And when everything seemed to be for Micahel and Ferrari: WCC: Massa DNF twice and Michael DNF in japan and everything turns to Alonso and Michael. What do you think about 2006 season?
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We've had very exciting seasons during this 56 years of F1, like 1982, 1986, 1999 and also 2003. But, the thing is, can we rate 2006 as an exciting season? What would be that rate? just high or very high? In my opinion it has been interesting and funny, at least the most since 1998 and 2003, but i missed a third WDC and WCC contender that would have been McLaren. That definitely would have been the point to make this a memorable season. However, this season have seen turn is fate twice. After Canada, everything seemed to be in Alonso's hand. Then, we saw Michael's going up in the table to catch Alonso. And we also watched races where things turned upside down oftenly (Bahrain, Monaco, Hungary, Turkey, China...) And when everything seemed to be for Micahel and Ferrari: WCC: Massa DNF twice and Michael DNF in japan and everything turns to Alonso and Michael. What do you think about 2006 season?
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2006 was very good,but there´s an element of articiality surrounding it.
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10-09-2006, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Alonso El Genio
We've had very exciting seasons during this 56 years of F1, like 1982, 1986, 1999 and also 2003. But, the thing is, can we rate 2006 as an exciting season? What would be that rate? just high or very high? In my opinion it has been interesting and funny, at least the most since 1998 and 2003, but i missed a third WDC and WCC contender that would have been McLaren. That definitely would have been the point to make this a memorable season. However, this season have seen turn is fate twice. After Canada, everything seemed to be in Alonso's hand. Then, we saw Michael's going up in the table to catch Alonso. And we also watched races where things turned upside down oftenly (Bahrain, Monaco, Hungary, Turkey, China...) And when everything seemed to be for Micahel and Ferrari: WCC: Massa DNF twice and Michael DNF in japan and everything turns to Alonso and Michael. What do you think about 2006 season?
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While the championship might be very close, there haven't been too many races which I think have been particularly exciting. Australia and Hungary are the only two races this year which I would consider to be particularly exciting.
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10-09-2006, 01:50 PM
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While the championship might be very close, there haven't been too many races which I think have been particularly exciting. Australia and Hungary are the only two races this year which I would consider to be particularly exciting.
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I would add Bahrain, Monaco (till Kimi's DNF), San Marino and Turkey.
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10-09-2006, 01:52 PM
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I would add Bahrain, Monaco (till Kimi's DNF), San Marino and Turkey.
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China???Even Suzuka was good.
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10-09-2006, 01:57 PM
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I would add Bahrain, Monaco (till Kimi's DNF), San Marino and Turkey.
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I don't class races where one driver spends 20-odd laps behind another (SM, Mon, Tur) as exciting.
And I can't even remember Bahrain.
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China???Even Suzuka was good.
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China was better, but Suzuka? Pretty uneventful really. No matter who the driver is, I don't find an engine blow-up particularly exciting either.
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10-09-2006, 02:16 PM
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I don't class races where one driver spends 20-odd laps behind another (SM, Mon, Tur) as exciting.
And I can't even remember Bahrain.
China was better, but Suzuka? Pretty uneventful really. No matter who the driver is, I don't find an engine blow-up particularly exciting either.
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Hum......ok.
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