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View Poll Results: The best Pre-War Driver
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Tazio Nuvolari
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Rudolf Caracciola
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33.33% |
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Bernd Rosemeyer
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06-09-2005, 11:31 AM
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Good topic, good posts. But in the poll it is very hard to choose when their are so many drivers not mentioned like Szisz, Renault, Ascari, Lang, Wimille, Stuck, Varzi and my personal favourite Nazzaro. I personally rate Nazzaro higher than Caracciola, Nuvolari and Rosemeyer.
Maybe it is interesting to read what is said in another thread about this topic on our forum.
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06-09-2005, 11:46 AM
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Good topic, good posts. But in the poll it is very hard to choose when their are so many drivers not mentioned like Szisz, Renault, Ascari, Lang, Wimille, Stuck, Varzi and my personal favourite Nazzaro. I personally rate Nazzaro higher than Caracciola, Nuvolari and Rosemeyer.
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True. However I don't think Lang, Stuck and Varzi were better than the three mentioned and I also don't know enough of the other drivers to offer a decent profile. I also didn't want the poll to be distracted by too many options and rather decided to concentrate on the Golden Era of Motorracing and their best protagonists.
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I'ts funny that for us that are so far away from that Golden Age, it's easy to say and state that these were the 3 best drivers. I tend to agree that Nuvolari, Caracciola and Rosemeyer are perhaps the greatest 3. But if we take a closer look and read a little about those races in those days, it's easy to see that we can easily disagree.
Fernand Charron, Felice Nazzaro, Georges Boillot, Antonio Ascari and Achille Varzi (just to mention some) are easily up to those 3 fabulous drivers.
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06-09-2005, 01:21 PM
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I'ts funny that for us that are so far away from that Golden Age, it's easy to say and state that these were the 3 best drivers. I tend to agree that Nuvolari, Caracciola and Rosemeyer are perhaps the greatest 3. But if we take a closer look and read a little about those races in those days, it's easy to see that we can easily disagree.
Fernand Charron, Felice Nazzaro, Georges Boillot, Antonio Ascari and Achille Varzi (just to mention some) are easily up to those 3 fabulous drivers.
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I read a lot of stories about the golden era. And almost in every place they said that Varzi was good but not as good as Caracciola, Nuvolari or Rosemeyer. Maybe it's a similar question like arguing whether Mansell was as good as Prost, Senna or Piquet?
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Fernand Charron, Felice Nazzaro, Georges Boillot, Antonio Ascari and Achille Varzi (just to mention some) are easily up to those 3 fabulous drivers.
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We are talking about the AIACR European Championships 1935-1939.
Fernand Charron died in 1928, Felice Nazzaro quit racing in 1925, Georges Boillot died in 1916 and Antonio Ascari died in 1925.
Remaining Achille Varzi.
Varzis results in the AIACR European Championships:
1935: 8th
1936: 4th
1937: 27th
1938: -
1939: -
He did not win even one race counting for the European Championship.
http://www.kolumbus.fi/leif.snellman/cha.htm
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The tittle of this thread is "The best Pre-Wars Driver", and that does not only includes the European Championship, Giacomo, as you can see by the stats provided here by Tazio, who do not only include the results from that championship, but also stats from the main GPs from that Era.
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Originally Posted by Tazio Nuvolari
Greats and notables from the pre-war years,
before the modern Fomula One World Championship
1934-1939 Statistics GP Starts Wins Wins/Start European Champion In...
Tazio Nuvolari 55 11.5 0.209
Rudolf Caracciola 52 15.5 0.298 35, 37, 38
Berndt Rosemeyer 32 10 0.313 36
Achille Varzi 34 6 0.176
Hans Stuck 41 6 0.146
Luigi Fagioli 28 5.5 0.196
Hermann Lang 32 9 0.281 39
Manfred von Brauchitsch 45 3 0.067
Guy Moll 7 2 0.286
Dick Seaman 15 1 0.067
Louis Chiron 31 1 0.032
*European championship ran 1935-39
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True.
Tazio included much more races than only the European championship races.
My mistake.
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Here are the stats concerning the European championship:
1935: Caracciola 3 wins, Stuck and Nuvolari 1 win
1936: Rosemeyer 3 wins, Caracciola 1 win
1937: Caracciola 3 wins, Hasse and von Brauchitsch 1 win
1938: von Brauchitsch, Seaman, Caracciola and Nuvolari 1 win each
1939: Lang 2 wins, Müller and Caracciola 1 win
22 races in total, 9 of them won by Caracciola.
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An interesting point: the system of the championship.
http://www.kolumbus.fi/leif.snellman/cha.htm
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The points were awarded as follows:
1 point to 1st position
2 points to 2nd poition
3 points to 3rd position
4 points to those that completed 75 % of the race
5 points to those who completed 50% of the race
6 points to those who completed 25% of the race
7 points to those who did not complete 25% of the race
8 points to those who did not start
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Originally Posted by giacomo
Here are the stats concerning the European championship:
1935: Caracciola 3 wins, Stuck and Nuvolari 1 win
1936: Rosemeyer 3 wins, Caracciola 1 win
1937: Caracciola 3 wins, Hasse and von Brauchitsch 1 win
1938: von Brauchitsch, Seaman, Caracciola and Nuvolari 1 win each
1939: Lang 2 wins, Müller and Caracciola 1 win
22 races in total, 9 of them won by Caracciola.
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Caracciola is by far the only driver, who scored at least one win in every year.
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