what are your favourite, or in your opinion, best, written words or lyrics off all time.

I'll kick it off with an exert from a Teddy Roosevelt speech called "The Man in the Arena".

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.



As an aside, Nelson Mandela gave a copy of this passage to Francois Pienaar, captain of the South Africa rugby team before the 1995 World Cup which they would subsequently go on to win.

I love speeches from the third Reich, but you'd need to understand german for that. I would recommend anyone to watch Triumph des Willens, gives a great insight in why the germans followed Hitler.

Also the "go to the moon" speech by Kennedy is very good.

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One of the most professional and best propaganda movies I've ever seen, directed by the famous Leni Riefenstahl.

I recall Josef Goebbels' frightening speech in the Sportpalast at Berlin in 1943 with the famous retoric question: "Wollt ihr den totalen Krieg?" ("Do you want total war?")

My favourite speech of all time: Martin Luther King's 'I have a dream' at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington. Absolutely breathtaking, it still thrills me today.

"I have a dream that one day, down in Alabama, with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of "interposition" and "nullification" -- one day right there in Alabama little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers."

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"Life is measured in achievements, not in years alone.” (Bruce McLaren)

The ideal speech which is unfortunately only in cinema:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IvPIWzQcUY

The speech that sparkled salvation to the World:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IGbjPqFFvA

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At your age, this is normal...

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Forgetting that Stalin signed a non-agression pact with Hitler, and the Americans couldn't be bothered either, the beginning of the war was entirely on Britains shoulders. Perhaps you should learn a bit of history first and listen to Churchills speech:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjuiMuvHojQ


@ Stork: did you start this thread because of the Clint Eastwood movie Invictus (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1057500/) ?

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Only ignorant people talk about the German-Soviet pact.Only people with no idea whatsoever of History refer to it.

In case you do not know England and France had signed an agreement in 1938 with Hitler.The Munich Agreement handed my Czechoslovakia on a plate to the Nazis further sending them Eastwards. The capitalists had no qualms whatsoever about negotiating with Hitler if that meant communism could be destroyed.
Throughout History capitalists have had no problems in being friends with Nazis,Murderous white Armies,Pinochets,Talibans,etc.

So with Nazi Germany and the puppet allies surrounding his borders and with Poland stubbornly refusing to accept Soviet soldiers on their territory Stalin had no other alternative other than to try to keep the Nazis as far away as possible from his borders.(also the reason of the Winter War)

And Churchill?The imperialistic murderer who spent his early political career killing millions overseas in the name of the Empire and was the main responsible for the Boer famine that killed millions of innocent people.
No doubt England withstood the beginning of the War alone,afterall they together with the other imperialistic nations had been responsible for Hitler´s rise to power and effectively started the War in Munich in 1938.
But it was the Soviet Union,led by Stalin and its courageous and brave people who withstood the main bulk of the War,a War they more than anyone tried to avoid.

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Final warning: STAY ON TOPIC or else. We have plenty of threads that have been ruined with the fascism vs. fascism debate. There's a whole thread for that purpose here: http://www.f1db.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5623

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Masters of War


Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build all the bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks.

You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly.

Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain.

You fasten all the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you set back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion'
As young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud.

You've thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veins.

How much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I'm young
You might say I'm unlearned
But there's one thing I know
Though I'm younger than you
That even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do.

Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul.

And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand over your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead.


Bob Dylan.

not seen it, but yeah I read about Mandela giving Pienaar the words - they are pretty strong words.


In the film, Eastwood takes dramatic licence and changes it to the poem 'Invictus' - which is strong stuff too. In actual fact 'Invictus' was supposed to the poem Mandela kept with him whilst he was incarcerated.